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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptic Zone

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episode number 438 for the 12th of March

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2017 richardsaunders here from Sydney

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Australia coming up on this week's

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episode we're going to bring you some

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news from New Zealand where the show

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sensing murder now this is the show

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where they get so-called psychics to um

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well try to sniff out their long since

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dead clues and things from murders they

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get a group of psychics put them

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together and see what happens sadly not

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much does happen and it's a pity the

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shows coming back anyway we're going to

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be chatting to mark Honeychurch the

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chair of the NZ skeptics all about

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sensing murder and it's sad return to

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New Zealand television and then to round

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off the show it's Maynard Maynard at

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skeptics in the pub and this week he's

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going to ask bubber's about witches what

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do they know about witches and

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witchcraft so there'll be something to

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look forward to later on in the show

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with hello hello Richard Maynard what

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are you doing here it's actually my flat

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hello Richard Saunders here pretending

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to be Maynard look and I've been in the

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he's used all my towels I don't know

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what's been going on while I've been

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gone but like there's no towels left I

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must admit I did come over here because

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I've run out of things in my fridge to

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run down and get you see so I thought if

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I come and record it may not Studios

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here in Sydney I could then run to your

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fridge ah well if you're under my fridge

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all you're gonna find is five bean mix

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and corn kernels in fact we'll go there

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right now we take you live to main

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answer feature oh that's a bit

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disappointing yeah hang on what's this

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sweet chilli sauce well I can have that

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I suppose that's about it the only fresh

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thing in there is lime it's because I

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heard that it's good for scurvy because

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I don't eat much of anything apart from

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five B mix and corn kernels well there's

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a there's advice for our listeners yeah

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look it's great to be here look now it's

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gonna be a big show some wild stuff is

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happening and there's some stuff coming

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up - in the skeptical world that

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Richards been working on - you can't

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tell you about but we are

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overlooking a magnificent view as I look

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off into the distance I can see the gods

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and the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt all

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the way over at Five Dock it's an

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amazing piece of history being here

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where I am you must be looking at a

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different view I am because I am looking

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at your television in the corner that's

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right and we're watching we're halfway

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through watching your show about hoaxes

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and this with episodes about Loch Ness

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yeah this is a screening on the I think

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it says I aren't so I just press the

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button and see where it is screaming

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just make sure on the History Channel

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which is best known for ancient aliens

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and I was turning it on expecting to see

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a bit of von daniken action but

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history's greatest hoaxes and this one's

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on the the of course the Loch Ness

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monster as you said with someone who we

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met at the skeptics convention in

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Brisbane Joe Nickell we just saw Joe

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Nickell the famous Joe Nickell being

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interviewed on the show about hoaxes

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with Loch Ness this is the sort of thing

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that happens when I turn up at Maine out

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something bit non skeptical but this is

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skeptical they're basically saying that

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there even the Loch Ness on Monster

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Hunter says that there's probably known

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Loch Ness monster and he's been doing it

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for 20 years

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you think he'd get another gig at least

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he's honest about it he admits there's

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hardly any chance of there being a real

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he was angling for the the prehistoric

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animal the a plesiosaur that's what even

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he admits that there's no chance because

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the plesiosaur that is the most

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courteous of all the early dinosaurs

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there the plesiosaur but open doors for

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you it'll be very nice that would never

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say anything critical the shows come to

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this so these gags Joe has come to this

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well look I'll let you get on with the

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intro because I'm gonna run downstairs

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and get a can of 5 bean mix drain it and

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then sadly eat it before falling asleep

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while dribbling on my shirt

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well Maynard does that we hope you enjoy

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this year we see the unwelcome return in

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New Zealand of a television show we

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thought had been consigned to the trash

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can of history sensing murder the show

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so-called reality show where a group of

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psychics are set hot on the trail of a

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long since cold case a murder using

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reenactments spooky music and lots of

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psychics looking worried the show

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promises to shed light from the psychic

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realms on murders and baby help police

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in all the years this show has been on

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air in various countries including

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Australia of course not one murderer has

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been brought to justice not one body

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found so it is somewhat surprising the

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TVNZ have brought this show back from

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the grave as it were and I noticed the

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following item appearing in the New

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Zealand Herald

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sensing murder is a grotesque sham by

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Duncan grief published at the n Z Herald

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that's NZ Herald co dot NZ on the 3rd of

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March 2017 sensing murder returns with a

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new host but the same old sham sensing

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shows in New Zealand television history

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made an unwelcome return from the grave

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last night in all its years on air the

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show's psychics never did find a body or

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murderer so it's pretty shameful that

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the show itself is the one corpse they

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managed to resurrect and despite all

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those years dead and buried sensing

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murder has hardly changed aside from a

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small format shift which somehow makes a

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bad show much worse the formula is

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exactly the same the same lured historic

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murder dramatically recreated been

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dispersed with interviews with still

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grieving friends and relatives the

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psychics are the same sue Nicholson has

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not aged a day and may in fact have been

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cryogenically frozen inside the sensing

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exploitation is the same tearful

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siblings of John wedge being exploited

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by a TV channel and a production company

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and a pair of psychics into thinking a

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tragic family mystery is going to be

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solved because huge spoiler psychics

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aren't real it's a cruel fraud of a

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profession practice by charitably the

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confused preying on the hopelessly

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vulnerable sensing murder 2.0 is maybe

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hinting at a higher purpose by

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repeatedly going to one relatives hope

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that the publicity might help shake a

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killer loose the implication being that

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he has little faith that psychics will

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but the crow task sham that is the

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premise is still essentially all there

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is this week we've got the death of John

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which a woman whose back story gets a

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while somehow barely filling out more

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than a pencil sketch

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followed her ex-boyfriend to Sydney in

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the early 70s before being stabbed to

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death in an inner-city service station

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it's awful it was big news at the time

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and some vile reporting quote I slept

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with murder girl and quote shrieks one

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of the contemporary headlines the family

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were devastated meant her mother died

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nine years after having never really

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recovered we hear but due to both the

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passage of time and some fairly slight

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research the crime itself is not

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particularly painstakingly recounted we

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get a lot of slow pans across old

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black-and-white photos which have the

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unfortunate effect of making all the old

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men in the old photographs look exactly

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like murder ISM more effort mapping the

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crime unless on staged reenactments

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would definitely help all this takes

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forever elongating brutally the time

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until we meet the psychics who in their

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blundering vagueness are at least very

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funny to watch it is probably worth the

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wait hearing them talk about the victims

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characteristics again is truly

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spirit full of life new zealand-born in

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getting cars and quote which is true of

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almost every victim and most murders and

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because they have an epic eight hours to

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matter way while stroking the photo the

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revelations in the scant minutes they're

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featured on the screen then the big and

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only change comes the original sensing

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mediums and their magic conjecturing but

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it devoted as long again to the work of

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the psychics the episodes were 90

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minutes long which was truly

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groundbreaking television now then after

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our Shortland streets they're Shortland

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Shortland streets Sarah Potts comes in

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telling us to tune in next week for the

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shocking conclusion next week we sat

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through all your crappy AM DRAM and bad

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documentary and you cut off the payoff

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after a few short minutes the format is

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now broken into two which essentially

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guarantees that every second episode

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will be an excruciating dog given all

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that's wrong of this immensely popular

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but morally bankrupt franchise removing

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its ability to reliably entertain on a

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weekly basis is the real crime sensing

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8:30 p.m. and that review was by Duncan

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grieve reported in the New Zealand

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Herald as part of a pre publicity for

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TVNZ to put on our YouTube channel a

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series of interviews with the psychics

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involved here is a short clip from a

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it's been very hard I must admit you

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know over the years have been you know

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put down and things written about you

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that weren't true I mentally I've wanted

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to walk away from it

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absolutely yeah but not very often the

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reality of it is is that keyboard

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warriors can do what they want they'll

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say what they want they'll they'll knock

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it and they'll pretend that they know

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everything that the faith of late they

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don't cause the to blind to open their

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eyes you know they're to lace they open

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their eyes and and that's not a big the

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reality of it is is that we all walk on

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different shoes and who are we to judge

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others I think everybody judges

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everybody don't they and I just think

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there's a load of rubbish and I seen

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this well there's an on/off button or

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change the channels we don't just have

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one channel you know and that's okay if

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they don't like it it's fine I just do

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what I'm doing

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and I don't put energy into that anymore

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for me personally I really don't care

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what anybody thinks that's what I think

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and and what I've seen in my life with

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my career and how much difference can be

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made so families in so much pain is the

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ultimate goal so people can throw sticks

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and stones make but reality for me is if

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you're happy doing that that's fine but

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I don't need to listen to you because I

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don't believe that what I'm doing is

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wrong I know what I do and I know when

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I'm being given and I know the truth

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even though people will say the

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informations all given to it no it's not

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you know I've even said at one stage I

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will go and put a lie detector on

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because I know what I do is right and no

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information is given to me and I think

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it's an amazing experience and I think

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it's a true blessing the little miracles

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men

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and I think unfortunately it's really

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sad perhaps that people are so close but

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that's this their journey it's not my

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journey and I'll not be taken or dragged

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into their path

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yeah I've wanted to walk away once in a

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while but then I can't my passion why

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can't my passion and my compassion is so

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massive and so pure inside then I think

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we need people like me on earth than

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with you you know to help change

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people's belief systems their own pain

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even just not to judge people should

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love each other spirit said to me once

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you've got to love everyone in the world

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but you don't have to like what they do

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hmm so I think I just love all the

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skeptics too and that's how the psychics

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on sensing murder have been coping over

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the years with skeptics and criticism

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but now to add his comments to this

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whole sorry story joining me on the line

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now from Wellington is the chair of the

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ends in skeptics mark Honeychurch hey

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how's it going good good to see you

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again we're doing the older video

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interviewing trick once more and I'm

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sure listeners will remember that in

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December I was at the NZ skeptics

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conference where I caught up with you

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know we had a chat yeah it was great to

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have you over thank you yes I've very

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memorable time indeed and we spoke then

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about sensing murder because you let me

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know that that show was coming up sadly

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coming up once again to plague the poor

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citizens of New Zealand and folks if you

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want to hear our chat about that just

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ahead - skeptic Zone episode number 425

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the show has commenced yes yet so I

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believe two episodes have been broadcast

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so far at least there are two episodes

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up on the TV NZ on demand so it's the

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first half in the second half of one

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murder hearing me yes as alluded to in

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that report they're stretching out the

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murders over two week even more even

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more of a

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tisk sham and that report was so strong

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I'm getting to have the feeling that the

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NZD skeptics might have had something to

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do with it

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no no we we were not contacted by the

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reporter certainly had nothing to do

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with us which you know it's great to see

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that without us even having to push this

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there's been this article which has it's

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so strident it has so much to say about

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psychics and it's straight to the point

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but other articles as well the spin-off

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which is a new new site in New Zealand

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has had a few really good articles as

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well just bagging on sensing murder lots

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and it's it's great to see that there

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really isn't much sympathy left I think

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in the media for this program it really

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does sound like it it's not like a

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review of a new psychic show the program

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I did some years ago had mixed reviews

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people thought it was a lot of fun or

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whatever but I never saw or anything to

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the to the extent of this and you're

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saying now there's more in the media

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people are fed up you think yeah I think

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so I think maybe part of it is the fact

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that the show originally ran for four

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seasons from 2007 to 2010 and they

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covered all the murders and not one of

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them was sold and not one of them was

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even helped along by a psychic so I

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think in a lot of people's minds there

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is that history that despite churning up

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old stuff about all these murders and

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having psychics supposedly being eerily

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accurate with finding the locations of

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bodies and all this kind of thing in a

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practical sense they did absolutely

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nothing there's been no change no help

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whatsoever to the police yeah and that

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was certainly the situation here in

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Australia where the show ran well at

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well over ten years ago there was a

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couple of series of one or two series of

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this show before it fled tarred and

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feathered fled our shores for New

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Zealand to infest you yep yep so yes for

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us it was four seasons and then I think

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the production company the guys that ran

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it they got in a big fight together so

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it wasn't even necessarily the the lack

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of interest in the topic anymore it was

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just that the three guys running the

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production company all had a big fight

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over who owned

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what and the company dissolved so yes I

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think maybe we were just lucky that it

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died when it did over here well the way

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that I'm reading this that with the

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negative attention even the first

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episode or two have received so far it

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might send a powerful message to to the

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network involved it's it's T V New

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Zealand does that right yeah

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TVNZ and an interesting interesting

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thing we've just found about them that's

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quite relevant to the skeptics this week

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is that because they are a state

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broadcaster they are subject to the

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Official Information Act which means

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that any data that TVNZ holds about the

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show we are legally allowed to request

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so we have a committee meeting of the

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New Zealand skeptics this weekend and

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we're going to talk about our game plan

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for hopefully digging up some dirt and

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you know maybe getting hands on some raw

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footage so we can see unedited how

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accurate the psychics really are maybe

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seeing what kind of emails have been

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flying between the production company

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and TVNZ about the show and just see if

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it's all legit or if there's anything

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that maybe is not quite aboveboard I can

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just imagine and having some experience

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of this if you ever got your hands on

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all the raw footage they would have to

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film to make this show work work it

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doesn't work you would be in a little

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room there with the TV on for hours and

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hours and so I think for each each of

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the psychics they do two psychics one

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day after the other and I think it's 8

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or 10 hours of solid recording and that

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gets condensed down to maybe four

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minutes of guesswork that gets shown and

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honestly when you watch the four minutes

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of each of the psychics are guessing if

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that's the best they can come out with

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in ten hours it's pretty poor it's a

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good word to use because at the moment

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and I've alluded this on the show that

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I'm in the middle of a very big project

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which keeps growing by the day where I'm

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collating years and years and years

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worth of psychic predictions from

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Australia going back to so far almost

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to the year 2000 but it's now running

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into the hundreds of predictions and as

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I'm going through all these and I'm

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listening to endless interviews and

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transcripts and whatever it occurred to

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me that the word prediction is used a

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lot when it comes to psychic but I can't

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see the difference between that and a

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guess we can just say people make lots

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of guesses some of them come true well

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if it's a psychic oh it's not a guess

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it's a prediction yep

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seems to be a default assumption that

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they are predicting that they do have

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this power and we have to prove them

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wrong

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absolutely not the case and I suppose

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there's semantics you can say there's a

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difference between the use of the word

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guess and prediction but well I tell you

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what it's a fascinating project is is

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this show slated to go for several weeks

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or months do you know they recorded a

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few episodes and given that each episode

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or each murder has been split into two I

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imagine it's probably gonna have a run

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of maybe eight or ten episodes and all I

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know I know for the original showing it

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started off maybe ten or twelve episodes

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of season by the end they were down to

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five and honestly there's only 60

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unsolved murders in New Zealand so

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they've got you know they've got a

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limited pool to be pulling from and some

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of those are probably quite pedestrian

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yes but what they're doing and if I if I

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read that report correctly is they're

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going to now look for Kiwis who have

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been murdered overseas you see yes

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that's something they they've always

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done a little bit of I think one was on

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a container ship in the original series

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I see um

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so somebody that was murdered somewhere

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near Dubai maybe but they were of Kiwi

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heritage so that was enough but it was

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worthy of it it's I mean it's appalling

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that we're actually laughing over

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something so serious and people poor

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people getting murdered but there is a

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what shall we say not of not a funny

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side but a sort of a.m. yes maybe

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morbidly funny I know it's it's it's all

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it's all a bit confusing and so it's all

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pretty wrong it's all pretty wrong and

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we hope that TV and Zedd get the message

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loud and clear that this is the sort of

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thing that we should them consigned to

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the dustbin of history yeah absolutely I

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think it's it is sad to see people

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families being exploited like this but

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it is nice to see just how bad these

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psychics are doing

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at times and you know the more the more

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they mess up the more silly things they

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say and they you know when they talk to

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the media you you do get silly things

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like sue Nicholson a while ago told the

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media it was called sensing murder not

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solving murder as if there's no

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expectation that they should actually

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have any result schadenfreude or maybe

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that's the word I was looking for where

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else should our listeners in New Zealand

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know about the New Zealand skeptics at

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the moment so via The Skeptical activism

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groups that we have here in New Zealand

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we're doing we're still plotting along

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with a lot of work with alternative

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health care I've just written an article

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that I'm hoping to get published in the

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New Zealand Medical Journal just a

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little game that myself and Mark Hanna

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from the Society for science-based

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health care played end of last year

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where we tried guessing a combination of

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a medical condition an alternative

543
00:23:01,539 --> 00:23:00,260
therapy and the idea was to see if there

544
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was anybody in New Zealand that said

545
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that that dodgy therapy could treat that

546
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condition and the game went on a long

547
00:23:10,750 --> 00:23:08,059
time it took a long time before we found

548
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:10,760
a mixture of the two where someone

549
00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:12,980
wasn't making a really bad claim so

550
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:14,390
we're hoping to get some publicity

551
00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:17,450
around that and I know Daniel Ryan as

552
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,640
well from the skeptics he's going after

553
00:23:23,289 --> 00:23:21,440
acupuncturists and he's put in

554
00:23:25,659 --> 00:23:23,299
complaints about I think over a hundred

555
00:23:27,549 --> 00:23:25,669
acupuncturists and he's also been joined

556
00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:27,559
by Loretta from your side of the pond

557
00:23:32,740 --> 00:23:30,200
she's she's put in a large complaint to

558
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the aasa' over here about acupuncturists

559
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:34,460
so they're really getting hammered at

560
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the moment and obviously deservingly so

561
00:23:40,659 --> 00:23:39,020
I think it's very good news yes let's

562
00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:40,669
keep up let's keep up the pressure and

563
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,960
of course going through official

564
00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:44,720
channels is is in the long run we're

565
00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:46,820
finding it the most effective thing to

566
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do apart from going straight to the

567
00:23:52,060 --> 00:23:50,150
mediator on occasions when that works

568
00:23:54,340 --> 00:23:52,070
and the big story in the media can help

569
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:54,350
help us enormous Lee but yes going

570
00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:55,820
through the correct channels to get this

571
00:23:59,049 --> 00:23:58,070
footage from sensing murder or going

572
00:24:01,180 --> 00:23:59,059
through other correct channels

573
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,190
government channels I think ultimately

574
00:24:05,530 --> 00:24:03,919
brings more results well please keep us

575
00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:05,540
up to date mark I'm very interested to

576
00:24:09,159 --> 00:24:07,940
to keep tabs on what's happening in New

577
00:24:10,419 --> 00:24:09,169
Zealand especially with this dreadful

578
00:24:13,390 --> 00:24:10,429
show sensing murder

579
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:13,400
alright so mark how can people find out

580
00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:15,890
more about the New Zealand skeptics if

581
00:24:19,810 --> 00:24:17,900
you go to our website skeptics dot NZ

582
00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:19,820
you can join up or just find out about

583
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:21,800
activities we have a list of all our

584
00:24:25,690 --> 00:24:23,450
skeptics in the pub meeting

585
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,700
there on the website and every year we

586
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:27,200
have a conference as well and this year

587
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it's going to be in Wellington and

588
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hopefully with pairing up with the

589
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Australian skeptics we're going to get

590
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some good international speakers coming

591
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:35,419
over we're really looking forward to

592
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:35,750
that

593
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oh well folks if you're in New Zealand

594
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and you want to find out more please go

595
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to that website I was at their

596
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conference last year and I had a

597
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wonderful time top line and speakers

598
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apart from me of course

599
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oh well a great company anyway Marc

600
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giggling they're on the other side of

601
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the pond so to speak on the ditch thank

602
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you very much

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Jaya

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[Music]

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and now direct from the cafe at

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Australia's Science Channel

607
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it's brouhaha with Kelly Wang you're

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going to hear a lot of fat woman going

609
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around today why because of

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International Women's Day the one day

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that women are reminded of how far we've

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come here are some facts that we

613
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definitely did not already know about

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women in stem but say that I can get

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this message through to you

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let me mansplain this to start with

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there's no gender difference in math

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ability study after study shows us

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worldwide an emerging gender gap in

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Australia is due to society attitudes

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and student confidence and obviously the

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first one of various feeds a second

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female participation in stem increases

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when coaches encourage and include

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females more in China

626
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forty percent of engineering grads a

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female in Malaysia 44 percent in

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Australia it's 14 percent when there's a

629
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cultural expectation for girls undertake

630
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of stem Korea like engineering women

631
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will suddenly realize how cool it is to

632
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be able to solve real-world problems but

633
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women in stem do and less than their

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male counterparts it happens just

635
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because you say it doesn't doesn't make

636
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it sir there are actual numbers that

637
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show it nationwide

638
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the difference is 16 percent in science

639
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its 23 percent while there have been

640
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improvements over time there is still a

641
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long way to go

642
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gender inequality is still a problem so

643
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if you know someone who needs this may

644
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explain to them send them this video

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with our company

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656
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well who are once and for all at the

657
00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:56,440
skeptics once again skeptics in the pub

658
00:28:00,000 --> 00:27:57,460
here it's all happening at the

659
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:00,010
Occidental opposite Wynyard Park ICANN

660
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:01,180
server there looks like a perfectly

661
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,400
normal day outside but inside here we're

662
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:05,200
gonna be discussing all sorts of things

663
00:28:08,670 --> 00:28:07,570
to do with deep space tonight I think or

664
00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:08,680
something you are a we're gonna be

665
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:09,820
talking about the Australian space

666
00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:13,120
program here which might fill the hour I

667
00:28:18,660 --> 00:28:17,110
hope it does and also witchcraft now

668
00:28:20,610 --> 00:28:18,670
been asking about witchcraft what do you

669
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:20,620
think of witchcraft I personally don't

670
00:28:23,730 --> 00:28:22,210
really think too much about it at all

671
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:23,740
one of the areas I don't really delve

672
00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:25,510
into as much but who have we got here

673
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:26,980
and what's a little bit of your

674
00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:29,170
knowledge about the topic my name is

675
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:30,430
Laura what do you want to know me not

676
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:33,310
well okay well has there ever been any

677
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,340
repeatable evidence of it I know there's

678
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:41,200
been a lot of shonky persecution of

679
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:42,580
people thought of as witches over the

680
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,410
years that's for sure and that's well

681
00:28:48,510 --> 00:28:46,480
documented but what they're actually

682
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:48,520
doing doesn't seem on reflection to a

683
00:28:52,500 --> 00:28:51,130
beyond that's spooky no it doesn't I

684
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,510
think we can explain a lot of the old

685
00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:54,880
stuff now now that we have have more

686
00:29:01,800 --> 00:28:58,390
knowledge there are lots of people who

687
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:01,810
identify as which is in the world now it

688
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:03,910
seems to be more of or they claim it's

689
00:29:09,390 --> 00:29:07,510
more of a religion and I think most

690
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:09,400
people think it is I think most people

691
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:10,420
think it's just people messing around

692
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,770
with spells trying to get people to fall

693
00:29:15,450 --> 00:29:14,320
in love or putting curses and stuff so I

694
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:15,460
think there's a bit of a misconception

695
00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:17,050
as to what people actually think it is

696
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:19,150
as far as the spells actually doing

697
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:21,820
anything I would say this there's

698
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,170
nothing you know I think it's as simple

699
00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:25,600
as somebody cast the spell to do

700
00:29:28,410 --> 00:29:26,950
something and then it accidentally

701
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:28,420
happens and therefore to them that's

702
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:30,490
confirmed that it works but I would

703
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:31,780
assume that there's not there's not

704
00:29:37,020 --> 00:29:33,490
actually any hard and fast evidence that

705
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:37,030
a single thing actually works what trees

706
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:38,860
are in tree I mean spirit of the trees

707
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:40,150
that'd be pretty good I mean there's

708
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:41,110
plenty to choose from

709
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:42,730
and a forest would be a pretty

710
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:44,620
interesting place to be at night yes

711
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:45,310
sounds good to me

712
00:29:48,990 --> 00:29:47,020
I think they do community nature a lot

713
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:49,000
yeah yeah and also there's a lot more

714
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:50,770
holidays too because it's got you got

715
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:53,080
the moon cycle so you got like 12 sort

716
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:54,610
of things a year to celebrate for

717
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:57,730
starters yeah yeah they celebrate things

718
00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:58,930
at slightly different times so they

719
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:00,230
don't celebrate Christmas

720
00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:03,260
time that their Halloween type I think

721
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,000
they call it Halloween imaginary they're

722
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:07,760
like their Christmas look in their

723
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:09,290
defense Christmas has been moved around

724
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,480
a little bit over the over the centuries

725
00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:14,330
it certainly has yes so that's good

726
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,400
yeah so I mean what what do you reckon

727
00:30:19,090 --> 00:30:17,840
if you're looking be looking for if

728
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:19,100
there was any evidence forward does

729
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:20,510
anyone actually I consider anyone

730
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:22,400
actually tried to sit someone down and

731
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,770
go okay can you do this I really don't

732
00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:26,240
know I haven't actually looked into a

733
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:27,590
from a scientific perspective I don't

734
00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:28,940
think it would be that hard to test

735
00:30:32,350 --> 00:30:30,470
yeah I'm sure someone must have haven't

736
00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:32,360
given us a go but I haven't heard about

737
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:34,070
it if they did and it worked no I'm

738
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:35,270
interested to go and Google about now

739
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:38,750
okay away we go now we are talking about

740
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:40,970
witchcraft tonight I've got to say it's

741
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:42,770
one area like I will watch documentaries

742
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:44,450
on just about anything but that one

743
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:46,250
it just doesn't interest me one way or

744
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:47,450
the other it's not that I find it

745
00:30:52,419 --> 00:30:49,910
tedious or anything it's just that I'm I

746
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:52,429
have about the brain for it oh yeah I

747
00:31:01,360 --> 00:30:55,010
think there's much much to really really

748
00:31:02,650 --> 00:31:01,370
NEP too complicated about it I always

749
00:31:04,690 --> 00:31:02,660
thought that like if you're casting

750
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,700
spells that it's not always a one way

751
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:05,840
thing it's something that's kind of

752
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:07,580
reflecting back on you so you can't just

753
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:10,130
cast a spell for kind of good or evil

754
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:11,690
not have someone come back on you which

755
00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:13,160
I think that's not a great thing to have

756
00:31:16,780 --> 00:31:14,660
what things work I'm leave if this stuff

757
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:16,790
comes back on you all the time but I

758
00:31:21,970 --> 00:31:19,130
often wonder what the difference is

759
00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:21,980
between casting your spell or saying a

760
00:31:27,490 --> 00:31:25,520
prayer and another I like the way you

761
00:31:29,169 --> 00:31:27,500
can again there you've done a bit of

762
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:29,179
skeptical work there connecting both of

763
00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:34,340
them and we are here at skeptics of the

764
00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:35,720
publication they get someone who's never

765
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,460
come along before this person's traveled

766
00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:39,679
from the Central Coast and we we thank

767
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:43,520
you for your kilometers to the we're

768
00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:45,260
talking about witchcraft here tonight

769
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:46,910
which maybe you know stay trail could

770
00:31:49,870 --> 00:31:48,770
use a bit to get moving a bit faster but

771
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,880
anyway what are you reckon about

772
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:51,440
witchcraft thing you're here because you

773
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:53,090
maybe got some interest in the skeptical

774
00:31:56,620 --> 00:31:55,010
thing maybe in the paranormal thing

775
00:31:58,180 --> 00:31:56,630
where do you sit with that oh I'm very

776
00:31:59,889 --> 00:31:58,190
skeptical

777
00:32:01,180 --> 00:31:59,899
and the whole witchcraft thing I think

778
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:01,190
it's a it's one of those things if

779
00:32:04,779 --> 00:32:02,570
people fill their life with it and they

780
00:32:06,909 --> 00:32:04,789
enjoy it and it's not harming themselves

781
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:06,919
or anyone else around them it's fine

782
00:32:10,450 --> 00:32:08,750
doesn't bother me in any way that's okay

783
00:32:12,249 --> 00:32:10,460
what's the harm thing I can understand

784
00:32:13,629 --> 00:32:12,259
that and also a lot of people like they

785
00:32:15,159 --> 00:32:13,639
can make little little alters in their

786
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:15,169
place and it's kind of it's all sort of

787
00:32:19,629 --> 00:32:17,480
about being enhancing the goddess inside

788
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:19,639
or that kind of thing and I guess we

789
00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:21,080
could we could all use a bit of that my

790
00:32:25,090 --> 00:32:22,909
partner's cousin actually runs her like

791
00:32:27,610 --> 00:32:25,100
a Wiccan

792
00:32:28,810 --> 00:32:27,620
pagan pagan you being in there right

793
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,820
into that and that's it we're very

794
00:32:31,690 --> 00:32:30,080
different people we'll get along fine

795
00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:31,700
and you don't clash about that going

796
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:33,169
look you know how about we test one of

797
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:34,879
these spells we give it a fortnight see

798
00:32:37,899 --> 00:32:35,990
if it works they haven't tried that one

799
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:37,909
no actually it's not a bad one but they

800
00:32:40,419 --> 00:32:39,049
don't they don't push it on this or

801
00:32:42,009 --> 00:32:40,429
anything like that I think they know

802
00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:42,019
where I sit with it so they don't try

803
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:43,639
too hard okay what are you hoping to get

804
00:32:46,269 --> 00:32:45,350
out of tonight and our guest speaker and

805
00:32:47,889 --> 00:32:46,279
all that sort of thing here tonight

806
00:32:50,909 --> 00:32:47,899
because we're looking at the Australian

807
00:32:52,899 --> 00:32:50,919
space program awesome I didn't ever know

808
00:32:54,129 --> 00:32:52,909
just hoping you can talk for an hour

809
00:32:55,690 --> 00:32:54,139
that's what I'm just worried that we

810
00:32:58,119 --> 00:32:55,700
might not make the whole hour might have

811
00:32:59,919 --> 00:32:58,129
to do some comedy yeah I'm happy to hear

812
00:33:01,869 --> 00:32:59,929
anything that's going on it's my first

813
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:01,879
time so I'm just came to see what it's

814
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,580
all about and meet some new people look

815
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:05,600
at me here it's not a lot of people get

816
00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:06,860
a bit nervous when they come here

817
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:08,870
because suddenly I turn up and I put a

818
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,370
microphone in front of them and it seems

819
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:11,840
like chipper I'm like I do it all the

820
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:13,100
time but you know feel like a person

821
00:33:17,169 --> 00:33:14,720
like this is just coming from out so I

822
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:17,179
put your names up Daniel Daniel yeah I

823
00:33:21,220 --> 00:33:18,769
mean yeah it doesn't come naturally to

824
00:33:23,619 --> 00:33:21,230
talk into a microphone does it no not at

825
00:33:25,810 --> 00:33:23,629
all occasionally get people listing go

826
00:33:27,789 --> 00:33:25,820
that person didn't sound blow well maybe

827
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,799
they don't always talk into a microphone

828
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:29,600
and have a goose like me coming up to

829
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:31,250
them you heard me mention about

830
00:33:34,269 --> 00:33:33,110
witchcraft there what do you got much of

831
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:34,279
an opinion on that one there it's

832
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:35,929
certainly no shortage of it in the media

833
00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:39,730
sometimes no no not much of an opinion

834
00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:43,510
I've got an open mind about it but

835
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:46,420
I'm keen to hear what the experts have

836
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:48,610
to say tonight well yeah they're gonna

837
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:50,080
be talking about this trackin space

838
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:51,850
program which I don't know has the rich

839
00:33:57,540 --> 00:33:53,860
craft involved or not but I'll certainly

840
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:57,550
be interested yeah stuff but not so much

841
00:33:59,700 --> 00:33:58,810
witchcraft I think it's one of there's a

842
00:34:01,980 --> 00:33:59,710
couple of areas where I'm not really

843
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:01,990
into and that's the ghosts and the

844
00:34:05,970 --> 00:34:04,450
witchcraft and you know stuff like that

845
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:05,980
not into that for some reason don't know

846
00:34:11,700 --> 00:34:08,530
why yeah I think it's it's one of those

847
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:11,710
things that's kind of been a myth but

848
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:14,409
you know since we've grown up it's kind

849
00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:16,090
of input into our minds about what

850
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:19,030
what's possible what's not possible and

851
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:20,710
I think we're all kind of in count and

852
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,940
count encountered maybe some spiritual

853
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:27,040
feelings or experiences that we kind of

854
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:30,850
question things and just funny enough we

855
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,010
ended up dating two different sisters

856
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:34,960
and we just ended up meeting here

857
00:34:39,629 --> 00:34:38,169
tonight is randomly some people say

858
00:34:41,820 --> 00:34:39,639
there's no such thing as coincidences

859
00:34:43,050 --> 00:34:41,830
and some people say in the everyone in

860
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:43,060
New South Wales you abandon it

861
00:34:46,139 --> 00:34:44,649
eventually anyway so it depends on which

862
00:34:48,659 --> 00:34:46,149
side you're gonna sit on the steps on

863
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:48,669
that yeah absolutely and I think it's

864
00:34:53,700 --> 00:34:52,240
all about probabilities yeah because

865
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:53,710
there's a million times when you didn't

866
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:55,300
walk around the corner and bump into

867
00:34:58,260 --> 00:34:56,649
someone you didn't and then you did so

868
00:34:59,940 --> 00:34:58,270
all those things happening enjoy

869
00:35:03,530 --> 00:34:59,950
yourself tonight and I hope the few more

870
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:03,540
coincidences happen here right thank you

871
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:05,650
I'm here with someone from stranger

872
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:07,270
things down under who we got are you

873
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:09,730
with Jessica hazard what cool I like

874
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:11,950
that I like that a lot now what used up

875
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:13,210
to recently I believe you went

876
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:14,680
underground but Richard a few weeks ago

877
00:35:19,110 --> 00:35:16,660
we heard on the show here he goes to it

878
00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:19,120
yeah it was a lot of fun no no ghosts

879
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:22,180
sadly but some excellent history a very

880
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:24,700
very hot night but still still a good

881
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:27,310
time you know laughs and mostly just

882
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:29,050
interesting history from Sydney was what

883
00:35:33,330 --> 00:35:30,970
I enjoyed most about it well I think

884
00:35:34,740 --> 00:35:33,340
Richards got a bit of a beanies bonnet

885
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,750
about it at the moment there for some

886
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:36,160
reason and he reckons you know he wanted

887
00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:37,900
about witches I'm just running pick your

888
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:39,700
brains what do you think how do you sit

889
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:42,040
as a female skip because which is often

890
00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:45,820
of course our women oh I feel torn I

891
00:35:50,310 --> 00:35:47,500
mean I'm still I'm still waiting on my

892
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:50,320
letter from Hogwarts it's very late

893
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,210
wasn't the Harry Potter thing there -

894
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:54,400
although that flying around game that

895
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,110
they played that seemed a bit silly

896
00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:58,240
this is embarrassing to admit but I'm

897
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:00,460
going to admit it Quidditch is the only

898
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,790
sports game that I know the rules -

899
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:04,390
that's cool

900
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:06,790
it's pretty cool or is donkey the word

901
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:07,450
you're looking for

902
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:09,070
no no cuz I'm trying think of there's

903
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:12,730
any sports games I know and the zero the

904
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:13,990
ones I like playing are tempting

905
00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:16,060
Bowlings and darts both games you can

906
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:18,790
drink while you're playing my ad but I

907
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:20,470
don't even know think that is very cool

908
00:36:25,860 --> 00:36:24,250
that's complicated isn't it I don't know

909
00:36:28,290 --> 00:36:25,870
I mean children can understand it so it

910
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:28,300
can't be that complicated but but

911
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:30,010
regarding witchcraft though yeah and do

912
00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:31,330
you think a lot of them

913
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:33,400
church leaders worldwide I've got a bit

914
00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:34,810
scared about you know the Harry Potter

915
00:36:37,830 --> 00:36:36,670
thing causing a bit of you know paganism

916
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:37,840
going on do you think what do you think

917
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:40,210
of that I think they shouldn't be so

918
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:42,700
scared of kids imaginations you know I

919
00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:44,980
think I think it's very unlikely that

920
00:36:47,730 --> 00:36:46,390
anyone's gonna read Harry Potter and

921
00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:47,740
come away from it thinking that it's

922
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:49,060
real I think that's probably just some

923
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:50,470
kids up there whose imaginations are

924
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:51,790
gonna get stirred up and I think that's

925
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:55,690
excellent and but I'll see anything that

926
00:37:00,300 --> 00:36:58,060
gets those you know conservative types

927
00:37:02,430 --> 00:37:00,310
afraid I think is probably not so bad

928
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:02,440
yeah there's got to be points to it in

929
00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:04,030
that I'll certainly go along with that

930
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:05,710
and you had any do you have any friends

931
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:07,750
at thought oh I've cast a Wiccan spell

932
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:09,850
or anyone tried to enhance the goddess

933
00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:11,320
within the little alter in their house

934
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:14,140
or something other well as as a kid that

935
00:37:19,260 --> 00:37:17,170
was definitely me I was casting spells

936
00:37:20,850 --> 00:37:19,270
you know reading tea leaves doing

937
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:20,860
numerology all that sort of stuff but

938
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:21,910
honestly that's what got me into

939
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:24,370
scepticism cells fascinated by it but

940
00:37:29,340 --> 00:37:27,100
very quickly after doing these things I

941
00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:29,350
just I wasn't convinced that it was

942
00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:32,500
working and so I guess my takeaway from

943
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:34,180
that is that it's all really it's

944
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:35,910
absolutely fascinating

945
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:38,470
and of course we are surveying the room

946
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:40,360
here and who've we got here it's Trish

947
00:37:44,580 --> 00:37:43,030
and Trish ever ever had a new truck with

948
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:44,590
witchcraft ever had any friends that

949
00:37:47,970 --> 00:37:46,630
have been increasing their goddess nasai

950
00:37:48,810 --> 00:37:47,980
having an altar in the corner of the

951
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:48,820
room or anything like that

952
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:51,070
well I grew up watching the crafts at

953
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:53,090
sleepovers Oh

954
00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:54,680
you know light as a feather stiff as a

955
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:56,360
board all of that kind of nonsense and

956
00:38:01,740 --> 00:37:58,010
could just watch Heather's like everyone

957
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:01,750
else not in this generation I'm afraid

958
00:38:05,290 --> 00:38:03,830
but yeah that was very popular I

959
00:38:06,730 --> 00:38:05,300
remember watching it and in trying to do

960
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:06,740
the whole lifting up someone using only

961
00:38:10,510 --> 00:38:09,320
one finger and then did it ever work no

962
00:38:12,130 --> 00:38:10,520
of course not

963
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:12,140
especially not when everyone starts

964
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,570
freaking out and they drop them because

965
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:16,160
I know some people playing that things

966
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:18,290
work yeah absolutely and I remember one

967
00:38:20,830 --> 00:38:19,430
of the girls that I was at school with

968
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:20,840
to get a little bit too seriously and

969
00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:24,100
that's coming from a goth I am a go so

970
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:26,390
yeah I mean she used to do the whole

971
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:28,850
kind of she try and find a teacher to

972
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:30,650
stop a teacher from giving her hustle or

973
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:32,180
you know this kind of stuff it was all

974
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:35,860
very very fine day which is the current

975
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:38,060
don't you ask about this because I've

976
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:39,770
been mentioning with with spells tonight

977
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:41,750
that spells out of one way thing when

978
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:43,130
you cast a spell there's something that

979
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:45,140
comes back and with that be good or bad

980
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:46,550
that means you probably shouldn't go

981
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:49,190
around casting bad spells no I mean if

982
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:51,380
you believe in kind of karma in any

983
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:53,360
sense of you know like if you're a good

984
00:38:56,650 --> 00:38:54,710
person generally good things might

985
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:56,660
happen to you I mean having worked on a

986
00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:58,250
on a cancer Department I can say that's

987
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:01,160
not true yes but you know there is a

988
00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:02,810
general sense of if you let someone off

989
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:04,550
the train before you get on it maybe you

990
00:39:07,450 --> 00:39:05,870
won't trip over on the way onto the

991
00:39:09,070 --> 00:39:07,460
carriage you know there's some sort of

992
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:09,080
universal calm and you feel you're a

993
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:11,090
part of I just feel like don't be a dick

994
00:39:14,590 --> 00:39:12,650
and the world will hopefully not be as

995
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:14,600
much of a dick to you okay well it's not

996
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:16,490
a bad idea and if you're wrong

997
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:18,530
hey what have we lost exactly that's the

998
00:39:22,930 --> 00:39:20,090
way I see it is you know what is the

999
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:22,940
harm in being nice to people and what do

1000
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:24,080
you reckon is the best cultural

1001
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,910
representation of witchcraft other than

1002
00:39:29,860 --> 00:39:27,680
in the movie the craft which it's pretty

1003
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:29,870
wild it's a good one in that I've

1004
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:31,550
actually I've met some witches I

1005
00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:33,770
remember many many years ago I went to

1006
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:36,830
Stonehenge for a solstice oh wow there

1007
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,450
were druids and there were witches and

1008
00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:39,920
they were explaining it all to me in

1009
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:41,000
great detail and it was all very

1010
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:42,590
interesting I have to say I've kind of

1011
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:45,350
forgotten I was speaking earlier about

1012
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,630
if there was some spirits trees probably

1013
00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,040
would be nice ones to hang out with but

1014
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:51,119
our trees always good spirits or none

1015
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:53,609
well I mean yeah this is certainly not

1016
00:39:56,660 --> 00:39:55,529
two minutes tone ends no not too many

1017
00:39:58,009 --> 00:39:56,670
trees that's known henge but I'm just

1018
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,019
thinking like day of the Triffids that's

1019
00:40:03,049 --> 00:40:01,440
not terribly they weren't good they

1020
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:03,059
weren't good but the comet hadn't come

1021
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:04,440
along well exactly

1022
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:06,930
all right blame space which is why we're

1023
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:08,460
here tonight we took me to talk about

1024
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:11,609
what's going on in aerospace there yeah

1025
00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:13,170
I'm looking forward to it very exciting

1026
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:14,789
so what do you reckon is the last word

1027
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,049
on which is it you'd like to try and

1028
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,700
bring into this some sort of discussion

1029
00:40:21,890 --> 00:40:20,190
I've tried to invoke this evening you

1030
00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:21,900
know what I think it's a lovely idea

1031
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:26,579
but don't take it too seriously are you

1032
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:28,470
talking to Tim Mendon who of course gets

1033
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:30,089
the sceptic out for having a bit of a

1034
00:40:35,029 --> 00:40:32,730
look at every month and now topic which

1035
00:40:36,769 --> 00:40:35,039
is tonight comes up maybe three months

1036
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:36,779
Manor every three months cause every

1037
00:40:40,489 --> 00:40:39,240
month I'd be dead okay right so I don't

1038
00:40:42,019 --> 00:40:40,499
know why I thought that why was I

1039
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:42,029
thinking that's okay that's okay you as

1040
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:43,650
it takes me three months to read one Oh

1041
00:40:48,019 --> 00:40:46,170
excellent okay I'm very slow reader

1042
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,029
and I use lots of big words how we do

1043
00:40:51,799 --> 00:40:49,680
actually on purpose actually yes yes and

1044
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:51,809
our next crop crossword puzzle does have

1045
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:53,430
witches in it doesn't it does actually

1046
00:40:57,470 --> 00:40:55,710
that's a secret message to people don't

1047
00:40:59,450 --> 00:40:57,480
tell anybody well have you ever

1048
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,460
encountered all your years with this try

1049
00:41:02,479 --> 00:41:00,720
and skeptics you ever encountered

1050
00:41:03,529 --> 00:41:02,489
anything to do it which is they aren't

1051
00:41:05,509 --> 00:41:03,539
the ones that really want to step

1052
00:41:07,009 --> 00:41:05,519
forward and have their claims proven

1053
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:07,019
ever really because that they tend to be

1054
00:41:10,999 --> 00:41:08,910
a little bit more um they aren't as out

1055
00:41:12,859 --> 00:41:11,009
for commercial gain as people might be

1056
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,869
who a psychic or something like that you

1057
00:41:16,009 --> 00:41:14,160
know I've been looking for it to our

1058
00:41:18,979 --> 00:41:16,019
black mass but haven't found one around

1059
00:41:20,359 --> 00:41:18,989
my area lately actually I'm afraid sort

1060
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,369
of a devil worship thing than a witch

1061
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:22,319
thing now we're talking black witches or

1062
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,619
white witches well yeah there's Wiccan

1063
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:26,880
which is that it always supposed to do

1064
00:41:30,289 --> 00:41:28,950
good yeah but that's I've been saying I

1065
00:41:31,339 --> 00:41:30,299
reckon if you if you out there casting

1066
00:41:32,839 --> 00:41:31,349
bad spells it's nothing going to come

1067
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:32,849
back on you anyway yeah I think the

1068
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:34,890
market for cauldrons has really hit rock

1069
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:38,160
bottom never had anyone come up and say

1070
00:41:42,609 --> 00:41:40,529
the I claim to be a witch test me yes

1071
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,619
oh no not test me no

1072
00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:44,480
but I have had people who say they're

1073
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,369
witches I met quite a few witches over

1074
00:41:50,289 --> 00:41:48,319
the years and what would their abilities

1075
00:41:52,450 --> 00:41:50,299
be or what are their claims of their

1076
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:52,460
abilities I think it's sort of it's

1077
00:41:56,499 --> 00:41:54,680
almost like pre New Age that they're

1078
00:41:58,749 --> 00:41:56,509
very sort of one with nature there's

1079
00:41:59,890 --> 00:41:58,759
obviously the weaker witches yeah and

1080
00:42:02,589 --> 00:41:59,900
that's what the ones that come forward

1081
00:42:04,749 --> 00:42:02,599
are they're basically nice ladies they

1082
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:04,759
tend to be who are sort of all wear

1083
00:42:08,769 --> 00:42:06,970
frilly outfits and sort of you know

1084
00:42:10,450 --> 00:42:08,779
headbands and that sort of stuff so

1085
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:10,460
these sort of he pH for the ones I've

1086
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:12,410
met at least in the era that I've been

1087
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,529
around and yeah so I mean what would you

1088
00:42:20,220 --> 00:42:16,880
pick if you had a spirit animal anyway

1089
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:20,230
spirit animal yeah definitely one bit

1090
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:22,730
either a one bit or a number I like the

1091
00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:23,930
bed on the end

1092
00:42:27,099 --> 00:42:25,460
okay now affair that's a good good

1093
00:42:28,509 --> 00:42:27,109
Australian animal to pick I thought so

1094
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,519
actually I think one bets are very cool

1095
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:30,859
so yeah we've thrown down the challenge

1096
00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:32,210
tonight if there's anybody out there who

1097
00:42:36,190 --> 00:42:34,099
can do any provable witchcraft we'll be

1098
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:36,200
right on to it I'm sure there might be a

1099
00:42:39,579 --> 00:42:37,730
few people around can you do it may not

1100
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,589
oh I'm sure I can't I'm absolutely sure

1101
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:41,119
I can't in fact it's one of the I

1102
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:43,249
remember people have different interests

1103
00:42:47,859 --> 00:42:45,410
of their paranormal and the witches has

1104
00:42:48,910 --> 00:42:47,869
never been one which witches and ghosts

1105
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,920
have never been one that I've been

1106
00:42:51,729 --> 00:42:50,960
interested in that we won't go there

1107
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:51,739
because you have to read the magazine

1108
00:42:56,229 --> 00:42:54,319
okay and where can people find that they

1109
00:42:59,019 --> 00:42:56,239
can just talk to me what sort of framing

1110
00:43:00,970 --> 00:42:59,029
Apple go to www.skybanditz.com a you and

1111
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:00,980
go to the shop and subscribe or they can

1112
00:43:06,370 --> 00:43:04,880
ask a friend and of course we always

1113
00:43:07,479 --> 00:43:06,380
have to wander around when it come to

1114
00:43:09,220 --> 00:43:07,489
skeptics to the pub and see what

1115
00:43:10,930 --> 00:43:09,230
classical thing is up to because she's

1116
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,940
got something going on she's got one

1117
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:12,319
foot in the paranormal all the time

1118
00:43:16,569 --> 00:43:13,700
which explains why she's constantly

1119
00:43:18,249 --> 00:43:16,579
falling over late at night absolutely

1120
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:18,259
I'm just spinning around all the time

1121
00:43:21,789 --> 00:43:20,420
and with all your years with the

1122
00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:21,799
Australian skeptics you've ever

1123
00:43:25,539 --> 00:43:23,660
encountered much witchcraft or anything

1124
00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:25,549
but any of your friends got involved any

1125
00:43:29,019 --> 00:43:27,140
of it at all even in a minor way because

1126
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:29,029
you know people sometimes like casting

1127
00:43:32,529 --> 00:43:31,339
little spells to help themselves yet not

1128
00:43:34,509 --> 00:43:32,539
not so much when I've been in the

1129
00:43:37,059 --> 00:43:34,519
sceptics but before when I was at

1130
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:37,069
university and people tend to get into

1131
00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:38,390
the wacky and the weird and the

1132
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:40,150
wonderful then and I have to say that

1133
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:44,630
the people the people who were Jen

1134
00:43:51,370 --> 00:43:48,140
new 'only into weaker were depressingly

1135
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:51,380
normal and then the student sort of

1136
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:53,780
student e a d fatty types who got into

1137
00:43:59,230 --> 00:43:56,660
casting spells and war lots of black

1138
00:44:03,640 --> 00:43:59,240
eyeliner and lots of black and all of

1139
00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:03,650
that well you know they were they were

1140
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,900
sort of casting spells to keep their

1141
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:08,000
boyfriends faithful and it never worked

1142
00:44:12,850 --> 00:44:11,210
oh really and so did they did they blame

1143
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,860
themselves for not casting a spell

1144
00:44:18,060 --> 00:44:14,720
properly or was it more like this stuff

1145
00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:18,070
doesn't work I think they were

1146
00:44:24,910 --> 00:44:20,750
touchingly oblivious to the fact that it

1147
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:24,920
didn't work and they had touching faith

1148
00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:27,020
in the fact that they thought that it

1149
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,060
did media pushing it at that time was

1150
00:44:36,610 --> 00:44:34,160
there any media big thing around big

1151
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:36,620
movie or a show where people going no

1152
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:39,230
and you'd expect that there would be but

1153
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:40,790
it was yeah there hadn't been a big

1154
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:42,980
movie release that I can remember and it

1155
00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:45,530
was it was before all those TV shows of

1156
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:50,060
the 90s like Oh Buffy yes and what were

1157
00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:51,380
those three witches the one with

1158
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:53,030
channeling the power of three with

1159
00:44:58,690 --> 00:44:55,210
Morrissey song yes

1160
00:45:00,160 --> 00:44:58,700
charmed of course much of Morrissey

1161
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:00,170
hates it when people say hey I really

1162
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:03,110
like the theme from charmed Betty loves

1163
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:06,290
that I I have no sympathy for Morrissey

1164
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:08,170
he gets what he deserves

1165
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:11,150
yes all the power of three was pretty

1166
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:12,290
good there with their book of shadows

1167
00:45:17,230 --> 00:45:14,150
and stuff like that was that movie the

1168
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:17,240
coven almost I remember in the craft and

1169
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:19,610
the craft actually yes and when the

1170
00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:21,320
craft came out one of our receptionists

1171
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:23,540
at work went to see it and then came

1172
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:25,130
back in the next day dressed in black

1173
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:27,350
covered in black eyeliners it she really

1174
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:29,150
identified with that oh look a lot of

1175
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,770
people did and look they had that was a

1176
00:45:33,070 --> 00:45:32,480
kind of a goth preppy look their head

1177
00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:33,080
down

1178
00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:35,420
yes except you know we'd all done it

1179
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:37,790
first back in the 80s anyway exactly

1180
00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:39,530
anyone who's listened to any cure albums

1181
00:45:44,070 --> 00:45:40,600
has been there

1182
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:44,080
yeah 1994 Horton pavilion you were never

1183
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:45,610
tempted once to give it a go with a

1184
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,090
spell oh no I always I always looked at

1185
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:51,760
it upon it as a sort of substitute for

1186
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:56,320
religion and myself being not religious

1187
00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:00,000
at all it never appealed it was you know

1188
00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:02,140
substituting one set of rituals for

1189
00:46:05,940 --> 00:46:04,660
another why would you look and that gets

1190
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:05,950
us that actually people say that

1191
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:08,280
skeptics and scientists are actually

1192
00:46:12,510 --> 00:46:10,720
putting in rituals to things you know

1193
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:12,520
you know you have you know Dawkins who's

1194
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:14,650
like the Pope or something well you have

1195
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:16,630
you know that the host of cosmos Susan

1196
00:46:19,770 --> 00:46:18,280
you know secretly you know he's the guy

1197
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:19,780
everyone looks up to or you have a

1198
00:46:23,790 --> 00:46:21,520
thinking event everyone goes oh it's

1199
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:23,800
just like a church service I've heard

1200
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,360
that really yes I've gone no it's not no

1201
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:30,400
it's I think we fall to our knees or

1202
00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:33,880
sing songs or way their hands in the air

1203
00:46:38,220 --> 00:46:35,860
or clap I have seen everyone go off when

1204
00:46:40,890 --> 00:46:38,230
James Randi and it's the ruin but oh yes

1205
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:40,900
yes they go off they go off hmm yeah

1206
00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:42,760
that's my man he's so old I think it's

1207
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:47,320
that kind of thing how does it move so

1208
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:49,030
fast and be that old that's what I was

1209
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:51,850
thinking how do you get to do that he's

1210
00:46:56,340 --> 00:46:53,490
great isn't he like a wind-up toy

1211
00:46:59,400 --> 00:46:56,350
he just goes and he goes and he goes

1212
00:47:06,360 --> 00:46:59,410
yeah yeah I'm glad he's still with us

1213
00:47:23,170 --> 00:47:13,260
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1214
00:47:25,210 --> 00:47:23,180
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1216
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1217
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1221
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00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:46,460
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00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:49,220
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1227
00:47:53,050 --> 00:47:51,050
facts based journey through the cosmos

1228
00:47:54,450 --> 00:47:53,060
at astronomy cast calm

1229
00:48:05,290 --> 00:47:54,460
[Laughter]

1230
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:09,340
oh yeah so we settle down thank you for

1231
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:10,940
listening to the skeptic zone folks and

1232
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:13,130
thank you Maynard for hosting me here at

1233
00:48:18,070 --> 00:48:15,050
the Maynard international Sydney studios

1234
00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:18,080
the SS the annex this is the annex yes

1235
00:48:21,610 --> 00:48:20,120
yes that's right no it's a bit of an

1236
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:21,620
annex it's a bit about happening and

1237
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:23,990
just just just describe what's in the

1238
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:26,540
right-hand corner of my Maynard

1239
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:28,370
international studios annex it just

1240
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:29,960
those three or four items that are over

1241
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,090
there well okay well starting from from

1242
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:33,920
the side closest to us we've got a giant

1243
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:36,170
cutout of Elvis life-size cutout of

1244
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:39,770
Elvis we've got a stack of the CDs there

1245
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:43,190
on the wall we've got a giant lava lamp

1246
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:44,990
that's right and above that is a signed

1247
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:47,420
autographed signature doll the rest of a

1248
00:48:51,730 --> 00:48:49,940
picture of Dannii Minogue I know all the

1249
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:51,740
skeptics are jealous of that and just to

1250
00:48:56,110 --> 00:48:54,800
show how random and I'm watching to show

1251
00:48:58,330 --> 00:48:56,120
that the DOE Richard someone said

1252
00:49:02,170 --> 00:48:58,340
there's no such thing as coincidence you

1253
00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:02,180
said your service we've got the complete

1254
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:06,230
directory of primetime TV stars 1946 to

1255
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:08,210
present now I don't know how you can do

1256
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:10,190
that because I bought this book in the

1257
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:14,240
90s so if this book actually update like

1258
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:16,310
a computer software or something so I

1259
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:18,530
say stop and we'll see what I get

1260
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:20,180
I'm flicking through it primetime TV

1261
00:49:29,950 --> 00:49:25,690
sales go okay why do we got all

1262
00:49:32,050 --> 00:49:29,960
Landers oh here we go Martin Landau well

1263
00:49:33,610 --> 00:49:32,060
here we go best known for mission

1264
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,620
impossible and of course the best

1265
00:49:38,650 --> 00:49:36,170
program ever made in the history of

1266
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:38,660
Italian English Gerry Anderson

1267
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:42,170
co-productions that space 1999 and they

1268
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:43,280
say there's no such things as

1269
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:45,020
coincidence would a page to land exactly

1270
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:46,910
at there that's good look I'm just gonna

1271
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:48,380
I'm just gonna go and watch some space

1272
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:51,110
1999 cos had the swinging theme that was

1273
00:49:57,690 --> 00:49:53,110
fantastic

1274
00:49:59,010 --> 00:49:57,700
I love that show anyway so yes again

1275
00:50:00,750 --> 00:49:59,020
folks thank you for listening the

1276
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,760
skeptic zone does anybody want to take

1277
00:50:04,740 --> 00:50:02,800
over doing this job look I know have you

1278
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:04,750
actually mentioned the stranger things

1279
00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:06,310
down under that's coming up as well that

1280
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:09,190
is fantastic we've got who got Egyptian

1281
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:12,100
stuff and UFOs yes on last week's show

1282
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:13,750
we mentioned stranger things Down Under

1283
00:50:18,690 --> 00:50:15,840
but if people want over just Google that

1284
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:18,700
Facebook slash or whatever it is and

1285
00:50:20,730 --> 00:50:20,410
it's just one word stranger things Down

1286
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:20,740
Under

1287
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:23,650
Sydney knew a group looking odd things

1288
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,390
but they can always just check the show

1289
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:28,000
notes for this episode oh that's great

1290
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:30,370
and if you pop over to Maynard comdata

1291
00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:32,020
you you can get the Maynard calendar

1292
00:50:36,180 --> 00:50:34,600
which means you could have me in the

1293
00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:36,190
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1294
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:42,100
that's just on the wall and people have

1295
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:43,690
been telling me that calendars been

1296
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:46,630
flying off the the screen onto the

1297
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:48,370
printer it has indeed and look first

1298
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,990
since it was International Women's Day

1299
00:50:54,570 --> 00:50:52,480
recently there's a great book about an

1300
00:50:56,130 --> 00:50:54,580
Australian aviatrix that I didn't know

1301
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:56,140
about called mrs. Miller not to be

1302
00:51:00,600 --> 00:50:57,520
confused with the mrs. Miller plays a

1303
00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:00,610
piano as mrs. Mills but yes she was a

1304
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:04,150
contemporary of Amelia Earhart yes and

1305
00:51:09,150 --> 00:51:05,530
she was the first woman to fly from

1306
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Britain to Australia I think yeah I mean

1307
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:10,570
yeah it was a business class or anything

1308
00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:14,050
I think it was an open an open cockpit

1309
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:16,300
to which could've been a bit breezy but

1310
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:18,670
but she brought but being in the

1311
00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:20,140
thirties or when it was done there she

1312
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:22,420
actually choo brought a nice dress to

1313
00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:24,010
get into before she actually got out of

1314
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,240
the plane which I thought was the kind

1315
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:26,800
of a cool thing and very of the time I

1316
00:51:29,070 --> 00:51:27,490
guess

1317
00:51:30,990 --> 00:51:29,080
so for throwing this glamorous dress

1318
00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:31,000
probably wouldn't await much throw that

1319
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:32,620
in I mean they probably they probably

1320
00:51:36,570 --> 00:51:35,170
ditched the Indian sort of life raft for

1321
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:36,580
lack of weight but there's probably

1322
00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:38,170
enough room for a dress I think I think

1323
00:51:41,340 --> 00:51:39,430
it's kind of cool I don't think they'd

1324
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:41,350
live Ruff's in those days now what are

1325
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:42,910
you up to lately may not and how can

1326
00:51:46,650 --> 00:51:45,130
people get in touch with you to get you

1327
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:46,660
to their gigs or whatever well that's

1328
00:51:50,310 --> 00:51:48,760
right it's at Maynard com that oh you

1329
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,320
drop me a line there we've got some more

1330
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1331
00:51:55,980 --> 00:51:54,430
I've just put up new stuff an interview

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interview with Australia's only

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1336
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mount called made by robots for robots

1337
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and I think if you're a sign

1338
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if ik bent you'll enjoy that album

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that's all upon may not calm that IU or

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go to my soundcloud page but you should

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give a plug for something you're

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actually doing Richard before I go

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downstairs and make sure you have

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installed more my 5b mix yes well the

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only thing I'm doing may not is the

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skeptic zone which will be back again

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next week with that well I don't know

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what but we'll cook up something ok

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and we will be looking forward to

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spending a bit of time in ancient Egypt

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at the powerhouse museum in the near

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future

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I think that's coming up with stranger

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things absolutely yeah not everyone's

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into it but told ya

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thanks may not well before I lose my

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sanity this is Richard Saunders and

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Vinod who signing off from Sydney

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Australia now how did you get in heaven

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better care anything Shh what a monkey

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like I said I want a monkey just like

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Dustin Hoffman an outbreak has anyone

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seen this monkey it's a great line as

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you unseen this monk I've got a Polaroid

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of a monkey hello I'm just commandeering

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some television time now to show you

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this Polaroid of a monkey has anyone

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seen this monkey it was last seen in the

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Northern Rivers area you've been

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episode number 480 pushed wrong okay

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Richard tries again on take two hello

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and welcome to the skeptic Zone episode

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number 300 oh god I can't even read my

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own writing started take your time there

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Richard

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take three that wasn't me knocking so